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“As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain; and as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality”*…

An illustration featuring a person gardening surrounded by large, stylized infinity symbols and vibrant clouds, symbolizing concepts of infinity in mathematics.

As Gregory Barber explains, two new notions of infinity challenge a long-standing plan to define the mathematical universe…

It was minus 20 degrees Celsius, and while some went cross-country skiing, Juan Aguilera, a set theorist at the Vienna University of Technology, preferred to linger in the cafeteria, tearing pieces of pulla pastry and debating the nature of two new notions of infinity. The consequences, Aguilera believed, were grand. “We just don’t know what they are yet,” he said.

Infinity, counterintuitively, comes in many shapes and sizes. This has been known since the 1870s, when the German mathematician Georg Cantor proved that the set of real numbers (all the numbers on the number line) is larger than the set of whole numbers, even though both sets are infinite. (The short version: No matter how you try to match real numbers to whole numbers, you’ll always end up with more real numbers.) The two sets, Cantor argued, represented entirely different flavors of infinity and therefore had profoundly different properties.

From there, Cantor constructed larger infinities, too. He took the set of real numbers, built a new set out of all of its subsets, then proved that this new set was bigger than the original set of real numbers. And when he took all the subsets of this new set, he got an even bigger set. In this way, he built infinitely many sets, each larger than the last. He referred to the different sizes of these infinite sets as cardinal numbers (not to be confused with the ordinary cardinals 1, 2, 3…).

Set theorists have continued to define cardinals that are far more exotic and difficult to describe than Cantor’s. In doing so, they’ve discovered something surprising: These “large cardinals” fall into a surprisingly neat hierarchy. They can be clearly defined in terms of size and complexity. Together, they form a massive tower of infinities that set theorists then use to probe the boundaries of what’s mathematically possible.

But the two new cardinals that Aguilera was pondering in the Arctic cold behaved oddly. He had recently constructed them, along with Joan Bagaria of the University of Barcelona and Philipp Lücke of the University of Hamburg, only to find that they didn’t quite fit into the usual hierarchy. Instead, they “exploded,” Aguilera said, creating a new class of infinities that their colleagues hadn’t bargained on — and implying that far more chaos abounds in mathematics than expected.

It’s a provocative claim. The prospect is, to some, exciting. “I love this paper,” said Toby Meadows, a logician and philosopher at the University of California, Irvine. “It seems like real progress — a really interesting insight that we didn’t have before.”

But it’s also difficult to really know whether the claim is true. That’s the nature of studying infinity. If mathematics is a tapestry sewn together by traditional assumptions that everyone agrees on, the higher reaches of the infinite are its tattered fringes. Set theorists working in these extreme areas operate in a space where the traditional axioms used to write mathematical proofs do not always apply, and where new axioms must be written — and often break down.

Up here, most questions are fundamentally unprovable, and uncertainty reigns. And so to some, the new cardinals don’t change anything. “I don’t buy it at all,” said Hugh Woodin, a set theorist at Harvard University who is currently leading the quest to fully define the mathematical universe. Woodin was Bagaria’s doctoral adviser 35 years ago and Aguilera’s in the 2010s. But his students are cutting their own path through infinity’s thickets. “Your children grow up and defy you,” Woodin said…

More on the fascinating state of play at: “Is Mathematics Mostly Chaos or Mostly Order?” from @GregoryJBarber in @quantamagazine.bsky.social‬.

* Albert Einstein

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As we get down with Gödel, we might send insightful birthday greetings to John Allen Paulos; he was born on this date in 1945. A mathematician, he is best known as an advocate for– and a skilled teacher of– mathematical literacy. His book Innumeracy: Mathematical Illiteracy and its Consequences (1988) was a bestseller, and A Mathematician Reads the Newspaper (1995) extended the critique. Paulos was a regular columinst for both The Guardian and ABC News. And in 2001 he created and taught a course on quantitative literacy for journalists at the Columbia University School of Journalism– an exercise that stimulated further programs at Columbia and elsewhere in precision and data-driven journalism.

A portrait of John Allen Paulos, a mathematician known for advocating mathematical literacy, smiling while wearing a dark blazer over a white shirt.

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Happy 4th of July to readers in the U.S… but are we commemorating the right day?

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July 4, 2025 at 1:00 am

“To Infinity and Beyond!”*…

The idea of infinity is probably about as old as numbers themselves, going back to whenever people first realized that they could keep counting forever. But even though we have a sign for infinity and can refer to the concept in casual conversation, infinity remains profoundly mysterious, even to mathematicians. Steven Strogatz explores that mystery with Justin Moore

No one really knows where the idea of infinity came from, but it must be very ancient — as old as people’s hopes and fears about things that could conceivably go on forever. Some of them are scary, like bottomless pits, and some of them are uplifting, like endless love. Within mathematics, the idea of infinity is probably about as old as numbers themselves. Once people realized that they could just keep on counting forever — 1, 2, 3 and so on. But even though infinity is a very old idea, it remains profoundly mysterious. People have been scratching their heads about infinity for thousands of years now, at least since Zeno and Aristotle in ancient Greece.

But how do mathematicians make sense of infinity today? Are there different sizes of infinity? Is infinity useful to mathematicians? And if so, how exactly? And what does all this have to do with the foundations of mathematics itself?…

All infinities go on forever, so “How Can Some Infinities Be Bigger Than Others?“, from @stevenstrogatz in @QuantaMagazine.

See also: Alan Lightman‘s “Why the paradoxes of infinity still puzzle us today” (source of the image above).

* Buzz Lightyear

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As we envision endlessness, we might send carefully-calculated birthday greetings to Gaspard Monge; he was born on this date in 1746. A mathematician, he is considered the inventor of descriptive geometry, (the mathematical basis of technical drawing), and the father of differential geometry (the study of smooth shapes and spaces, AKA smooth manifolds).

During the French Revolution he was involved in the reform of the French educational system, most notably as the lead founder of the École Polytechnique.

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